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I'm running out of spa (Reelwoman)
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Username: Reelwoman
Post Number: 1090
Registered: 05-2001
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Tangent shift: I think that Dustin Hoffman is one of the former. I remember his Oscar acceptance speech for Rain Man. It was humble, eloquent and gracious.
"I stand erected."
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Liberty Rose (Lesley828)
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Username: Lesley828
Post Number: 58
Registered: 06-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 05:13 pm: |
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Hm, I for one thought Sean Penn was genuinely humble and gave a good acceptance speech. Then again, I did not bother to check out what he said in the press room. But I liked what I saw. It's one of the best of the night. Renee Zellweger, Charlize Theron, and even Tim Robbins were all very, very dull.
Charlize Theron, what a darling, but what a proof that you can't have both beauty & brain. Okay, maybe she's not on the level with Kate Hudson and Liv Tyler, but this woman sure has a very limited vocabulary. I did not see the interview so I can't really imagine her being poised, ever.
Tom Cruise looked drop dead gorgeous. The haircut either makes or breaks this guy. He looked bad in Magnolia, MI2, Vanilla Sky, The Last Samurai because of the hair. But I love his cut for Minority Report and the upcoming Collateral. He was breathtaking at the Golden Globes too. He and Nicole Kidman would've made a very attractive couple that night, a de javu of 1997.
The saddest girl ever to hold a martini.
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AboutFilm host (Carlo)
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Username: Carlo
Post Number: 4502
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 05:15 pm: |
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I like the way Johnny Depp conducts himself. He doesn't really like the fuss, but he doesn't pretend winning means nothing. He's gracious even when the camera is stuck up his nostril. Look at how he handled the encounter with Keisha Castle-Hughes from Whale Rider. They were both obviously caught by surprise, and she was clearly flustered, mortified, and star struck. Depp saw it and just kept murmuring the right things over and over.
On the other end of the spectrum, we have the people who obviously buy waaaaayyy too much into this. Halle Berry was an egregious example, acting like she just discovered a cancer vaccine. Charlize Theron hid it better, but she also falls in this category. It's strange. I always respected her for the energy she put into the most godawful roles, and yet in the wake of her triumph, I like her a lot less. It would have helped if I thought her performance was more of an inhabitation of Aileen Wuornos and less a mimicry of her.
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I'm running out of spa (Reelwoman)
Cinematographer
Username: Reelwoman
Post Number: 1091
Registered: 05-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 05:16 pm: |
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Here's another Dustin Hoffman acceptance speech which I believe is genuine:
quote:...when winning Best Actor for KRAMER VS. KRAMER. Hoffman had a tough task ... in the 1970s, Dustin Hoffman had been well known for his criticism of the Academy, calling it a garish and embarrassing evening, and was even rebuked by Frank Sinatra at the 1975 show. So when he took the stage to accept his first Best Actor Oscar, he gave a very good speech where he explained his past criticism of the Academy, saying that he refused to believe that the other four nominees in his category lost and he won over them. He praised the artistic community of actors, only a handful of which are so lucky to attain the status that Hoffman had. He went to say that most actors have to drive a taxi while doing auditions, and he praised them all, saying that none of them have ever lost. The crowd was overwhelmed by the sentiment, and in a way, it made a lot of sense ... Hoffman was saying that actors are a community, and who is to say that one is better than the other.
"I stand erected."
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C.J. (Thief)
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Username: Thief
Post Number: 2238
Registered: 07-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 05:21 pm: |
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quote:As for Bill Murray, I think he just looked sad, tired, and bored. I think he wanted to get out of the Kodak theatre as soon as possible. I don't blame him, though :) And win or lose, Murray always has this subtly melancholy look on his face, whether it be at the Golden Globes, the Independent Spirit Awards, or the Oscars. The more I think about it, Murray's a sad clown. He's a born comedian, yet there's always a touch sadness underlies his wit (i.e. his Golden Globes speech).
But he had a funny line during the Red Carpet.
Bush asked him "What are you wearing?" "Boxers" was his reply. LOL!
"We WILL find weapons of mass destruction...just give us some time to plant them".
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fishstick (Fishstick)
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Username: Fishstick
Post Number: 1068
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 05:23 pm: |
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I agree on Depp. Real southern gentleman. And the sexiest man alive to boot. :)
"On the other end of the spectrum, we have the people who obviously buy waaaaayyy too much into this. Halle Berry was an egregious example, acting like she just discovered a cancer vaccine. "
LOL, so true. And, of course, the newest addition: Asstin.
Life`s a bitch and so am I!
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fishstick (Fishstick)
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Username: Fishstick
Post Number: 1069
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 05:25 pm: |
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Oh, yeah, I loved "boxers" too, thanks for reminding us, CJ.
Life`s a bitch and so am I!
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AboutFilm host (Carlo)
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Username: Carlo
Post Number: 4503
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 05:26 pm: |
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quote:And, of course, the newest addition: Asstin.
He really is a gigantic horse's butt, isn't he?
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C.J. (Thief)
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Username: Thief
Post Number: 2239
Registered: 07-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 05:28 pm: |
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quote:He really is a gigantic horse's butt, isn't he?
You were really paying attention to him squiggling his ass in 50 First Dates, huh? ;-)
"We WILL find weapons of mass destruction...just give us some time to plant them".
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AboutFilm host (Carlo)
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Username: Carlo
Post Number: 4504
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 05:29 pm: |
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Anybody catch Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson's red carpet interview, the one with Owen Wilson asking whatshername, "Are those real, by the way?" at the end of it? Hilarious. Count me among those who enjoyed Will Ferrell and Jack Black as well... "Del Taco." Inspired.
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Norrin44 (Norrin44)
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Username: Norrin44
Post Number: 2751
Registered: 05-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 05:29 pm: |
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Re: Bill Murray. Who knows? Maybe Crystal was just ribbing him as "a fellow SNL alumnus" or, off-camera prior to that, Murray might have been feigning disgust. I suspect he wanted that Oscar as much as anyone, though -- anybody remember his "dramatic" turn in his vanity piece The Razor's Edge back in the '80s?
I've also detected a definite deglamorizing trend among the roles of the past six Best Actresses. Gwyneth Paltrow and Hilary Swank won for playing against their gender ... on Swank's heels, Julia Roberts and Halle Berry take the Little Gold Man for playing blue-collar-bordering-on-trailer-trash ... and knockouts Nicole Kidman and Charlize Theron win for prosthetic uglying-down. (OK, there was some acting involved in all of those, but work with me here. As Andy Kaufman used to say, "Wait for the punch ...")
If Naomi Watts would only star in a remake of The Elephant Man ... |
Kathy (Kk1024)
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Username: Kk1024
Post Number: 456
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 05:31 pm: |
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Okay, I liked this portion of Russell Crowe's acceptance speech and I don't know how to do a quote.
You know, when you grow up in the suburbs of Sydney or Auckland, or Newcastle like Ridley or Jamie Bell. Or the suburbs of anywhere, you know a dream like this seems kind of vaguely ludicrous and completely unobtainable. But this moment is directly connected to those childhood imaginings. And for anybody who's on the downside of advantage and relying purely on courage . . . it's possible.
Thanks very much.
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AboutFilm host (Carlo)
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Username: Carlo
Post Number: 4505
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 05:32 pm: |
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I hate to defend Theron on that performance, but there were no prosthetics. Just fake teeth and industrial quantities of makeup.
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Norrin44 (Norrin44)
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Username: Norrin44
Post Number: 2752
Registered: 05-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 05:44 pm: |
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Well, yeah, Carlo, but my take on it is that the consensus reaction to Theron's portrayal wasn't so much "That's acting!" or "That's daring!", but more like "THAT's Charlize Theron under there?" |
C.J. (Thief)
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Username: Thief
Post Number: 2240
Registered: 07-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 05:46 pm: |
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Best moments of the night for me...
- The aforementioned "Boxers" reply from Bill Murray
- Keisha-meets-Depp moment. Truly lovely. I agree with what most have said here about Depp.
- Michael Moore paroding himself during Billy Crystal's introduction.
- Crystal's Best Picture song montage. I always enjoy it.
- Crystal saying how things haven't changed "13 years ago, Bush was president, the economy was tanking, and we'd just finished a war in Iraq"
- Tim Robbins acceptance speech and exhorting the abused to come forward.
- Crystal joking about how the Academy let's him "come and go as I please the last few years. It's kind of like the Texas National Guard."
- Now that I really got it, Stanton's thanking his wife.
- Owen Wilson and Ben Stiller were pretty funny.
- All the songs were lovely and sounded great.
- Will Ferrell and Jack Black "You're boring" song. Hilarious.
- Crystal saying "It's now official: There's now no one left in New Zealand to thank." and his subsequent two-punchline "People are actually moving to New Zealand to be thanked."
- Adrien Brody uses breath-spray before handing out the Best Actress Oscar. Perhaps the funniest moment in the night.
Even though I agree that most of the acceptance speeches and presenters were dull and/or stale, I think the show moved at a decent pace.
"We WILL find weapons of mass destruction...just give us some time to plant them".
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C.J. (Thief)
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Username: Thief
Post Number: 2241
Registered: 07-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 05:48 pm: |
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quote:Anybody catch Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson's red carpet interview, the one with Owen Wilson asking whatshername, "Are those real, by the way?" at the end of it? Hilarious.
That was hilarious too. Of course, he was referring to her $2.5M diamond-dress.... ;-)
"We WILL find weapons of mass destruction...just give us some time to plant them".
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Norrin44 (Norrin44)
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Username: Norrin44
Post Number: 2754
Registered: 05-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 06:06 pm: |
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I also enjoyed Will Ferrell's dead-on-pompous delivery of his lines -- the "weapon in the director's arsenal" line was a gas.
It was doubly refreshing given the recurring pronouncements prior to so many nominations being read last night ... "A pirate ... a man having a midlife crisis half a world away ... a Civil War soldier longing to return to his one true love ... so different, yet they all have one thing in common ..."
"A ship during the Napoleonic wars ... a fantasy land of dragons and warriors ... a Tokyo hotel ... a blue-collar Boston neighborhood ... so different, yet they all have one thing in common ..."
One other thing: is it just the haircut or does Jim Carrey have Vulcan ears? Will Smith's got nothing on those babies. |
fishstick (Fishstick)
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Username: Fishstick
Post Number: 1070
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 06:51 pm: |
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"If Naomi Watts would only star in a remake of The Elephant Man"
She`ll win for starring opposite the CGI monkey. Here`s why: the shower scene. The Academy loves deglamming of glam stars, true, but they can`t resist revealed skin either. Julia`s cleaveage&mini in Erin Brokovich, Halle doing Billy Bob, Gwinnie having her boobs unleashed by That Less Famous Fiennes, Helen`s topless. Naomi will win for taking the waterfall shower with gorilla`s help.
Life`s a bitch and so am I!
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Dana Knowles (Dana)
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Username: Dana
Post Number: 444
Registered: 05-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 08:15 pm: |
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Great call on that Russell Crowe speech, Kathy!
See, now that's all I'm talking about. These folks get 90 seconds to speak to the entire world, but the only thing they want to do is name-check a bunch of colleagues and friends? Does anybody think that Crowe woke up the next day shunned by the dozens/hundreds of individuals he could have named in lieu of making a personal statement about the experience of getting from where he started to where he was standing at that moment? Highly, highly unlikely. What's appealing about these shows (theoretically, anyway) is that every now and then somebody wins and expresses something truly unique, whether it be in the form of unbridled joy or unmitigated outrage. As dopey as Michael Moore's execution of his diatribe was last year, at least he did something beyond proving that he can remember the names of a dozen relatives and colleagues while staring into bright lights under enormous pressure. If the Academy and the public are gonna stop what they're doing that day to give you a memorable moment, the least you can do is attempt to return the favor. So... those of you destined to go on to fame and fortune and Oscars (or Nobels, or Razzies)... please heed my advice so's you don't end up the subject of my wrath the next day at the AboutFilm Message Boards. Are we clear now? Good! |
Dana Knowles (Dana)
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Username: Dana
Post Number: 445
Registered: 05-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 08:42 pm: |
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quote:I like the way Johnny Depp conducts himself. He doesn't really like the fuss, but he doesn't pretend winning means nothing. He's gracious even when the camera is stuck up his nostril.
Depp may be a weirdo, but he's a class act. His red carpet comments were also pretty cool. When asked why an "outsider" like him had chosen to come to the awards, he responded by saying that he was attending to show his sincere appreciation for the nomination, and especially because he was still stunned by the courage and/or insanity that moved some folks to vote for such a bizarre performance in the first place. In essence, he was sort of laughing at the silliness of being in such a position, but he didn't use the moment to act as if he was above or beneath the awards. Instead, he seemed sweet and humble in an uncalculated way, particularly as he was fully able to admit what an honor it was to find himself included.
Personally, I totally understand why everything to do with pimping your movie and yourself must be horrifyingly degrading and off-putting if you're a serious artist, but I don't understand why or how some people take themselves so seriously that they're driven to remind you how above the fray they feel they deserve to be. Dude... if you don't want to pimp your movie to the press, don't do interviews, junkets, or whatever. If the contract dictates that you MUST, then don't sign the contract and don't take the role. If you're deeply embarrassed by your industry's attempts to give out merit badges at the end of the year, boycott the badges and the badge ceremony either vocally or quietly, but don't run around asking us to feel sorry for your pain at having to participate when you don't actually HAVE TO participate. Carping about such things implies that whether you participate or not is a matter of immense historical importance, though it is, in fact, of zero historical importance except as a footnote. Marlon Brando made a big deal about this stuff he insisted was no big deal, and he looked stupid, too. After all, if something is worth protesting, then it has definite importance. And if it's not important, it merits no protest. Seems self-evident to me, but then I'm neither Marlon Brando nor Sean Penn.
That having been said, the ones who are sooooo hungry for the awards are downright scary to me. Pssssst: nobody but your mother, some colleagues, and a handful of trivia freaks will even REMEMBER that you won three or four months from now. Give it a few years, and even fewer people will know or care, unless they're studying up for a stint on Jeopardy. And while it's lovely to imagine oneself becoming the topic of a flattering question on Jeopardy, this is hardly the same thing as genuine accomplishment. |
Alennifer Mackonnelly (Mackey3000)
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Username: Mackey3000
Post Number: 344
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 08:54 pm: |
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Count me in on praising Crowe's wonderfully heartfelt 2001 acceptance speech, but count me out on the annoyance over Sean's alleged ego and "fake self-righteousness." I loved his speech. I think he was glad to win, but just not ecstatic or overwhelmed. Everybody reacts to the win in a different way. Not everybody is Halle Berry. Plus, I think Sean looked genuinely touched by the standing ovation he received (and RICHLY deserved!). And I was very happy with him for not only thanking his fellow nominees, which were the greatest group of performances nominated in the male leading role category in quite some time, but also mentioning and congratulating some of the other great performances that were sadly overlooked like Paul Giamatti in AMERICAN SPLENDOR and Nicolas Cage in MATCHSTICK MEN. I loved how he thanked his "ma" and then looked up in the sky and thanked "dad." To me, that was about AS SINCERE as I saw an actor be last night. Also loved his simple, beautiful closing thanks to Robin Wright, and his WMD comment was pitch-perfect. I think Dana and some of the others are reading too much into his press room comments, and that's a real shame. Like I said, I think he was happy to win, just not overwhelmed about it. Like "thanks for the recognition, and now I'm going to keep doing what I've always done (i.e. bringing acting to a new level and a new standard." His win was my FAVORITE moment of the night.
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Dana Knowles (Dana)
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Username: Dana
Post Number: 446
Registered: 05-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 09:20 pm: |
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quote: I think Dana and some of the others are reading too much into his press room comments, and that's a real shame.
Why is it a shame? Surely he wouldn't have said those things if he wasn't interested in making some kind of point. If there's a less self-aggrandizing interpretation of his comments available, I'd love to hear what that is.
I have no problem with you being overjoyed with the win of a man who you quite obviously admire very deeply, but I don't see why I have to slap blinders on so I can admire him, too. He's just an actor, and these are just Oscars. Penn would be just as great an actor without ever receiving an Oscar, and he's no less a great actor for winning one. Plenty of crap actors have Oscars (Benigni, Berry), and plenty of geniuses have gone to their graves without one (Kubrick! Hitchcock!). Why on earth should Sean Penn think it's important for us to know he wished he didn't have to be there? So he'll look smarter and cooler and more ethically, artistically pristine than Johnny Depp, Ben Kingsley, Jude Law, and Bill Murray? The fact that some people buy his BS as proof of his amazing integrity is fine. Just don't ask me to be one of those people. |
AboutFilm host (Carlo)
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Post Number: 4507
Registered: 07-2003
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Yeah, I don't really buy it either, but I guess I don't hold it against him. However
quote:After all, if something is worth protesting, then it has definite importance. And if it's not important, it merits no protest.
...this is an excellent point.
Oh god, Benigni. That wasn't just a bad dream, was it? Please say it was.
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C.J. (Thief)
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Username: Thief
Post Number: 2242
Registered: 07-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 09:30 pm: |
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No, the bad dream was Pinnochio...
"We WILL find weapons of mass destruction...just give us some time to plant them".
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C.J. (Thief)
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Username: Thief
Post Number: 2243
Registered: 07-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 09:31 pm: |
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Pardon me asking, but what exactly was it that Sean Penn said in the Press Room?...
"We WILL find weapons of mass destruction...just give us some time to plant them".
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Alennifer Mackonnelly (Mackey3000)
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Username: Mackey3000
Post Number: 345
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 09:47 pm: |
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Dana, I think he was asked if he wanted to be there or not, I'm pretty he didn't let everyone know, but was just answering a question. I do agree with your comments about how the Oscars don't really show how great an actor is, but it's nice to see them pick the right person, one of the rightest if you will (lol), since they rarely do.
As for my thoughts on the Penn press room comments: I thought he was sincere in saying why he had problems with the ceremony. I do agree that the only reason he would go despite his problems with the academy was because he knew he was going to win.
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I'm running out of spa (Reelwoman)
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Username: Reelwoman
Post Number: 1092
Registered: 05-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 10:59 pm: |
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Chiming in late on Depp, but he was utterly charming on the Keisha-meets-Depp moment. Depp will eventually win a lifetime acheivement Oscar. His work is too solid, IMO. Blow, Donnie Brasco, Pirates, Gilbert Grape... He truly is an artistic, courageous and professional actor.
"I stand erected."
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AdamL (Adaml)
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Post Number: 958
Registered: 08-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 03:26 am: |
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Billy Crystal was tedious.
Jim Carrey totally embarrassed himself.
How did LOTR win editing?
How did it beat M&C for sound?
The worst show I've ever seen (I've seen the last 8) |
fishstick (Fishstick)
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Username: Fishstick
Post Number: 1071
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 06:45 am: |
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People, can`t you understand that all those acceptance speeches are formulaic because if they don`t thank certain people the press will start making up stories? If a star doesn`t thank their partner big news the next day is that their relationship is on the rocks, divorce, splitsville just ask Jennifer Aniston what happened when she omitted Brad Pitt from her acceptance speech. If they omit co-star the press screams on-the-set feud. Omit mom and dad they`ll scream family feud. And I`m affraid to even think how political would`ve become forgetting to thank New Zealand! My point is that the are press-ed to do parrott speech if they want to avoid negative publicity. cause the press likes to blow everything out of proportions. So if any VIP said something original instead of thank-you yawnathon media would proclaim he/she was at odds with entire world.
"Depp will eventually win a lifetime acheivement Oscar. "
Harvey promisses Depp will win next Oscar for Neverland. I bet that Leo is thrilled to hear that Miramax has already decided to back up Depp in Neverland over him in The Aviator.
Life`s a bitch and so am I!
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Chris Marti (Cmarti)
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Post Number: 2407
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 06:58 am: |
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Isn't there a tiny sliver of a chance that some of the winners are genuinely grateful to those they mention in their acceptance speech? |
fishstick (Fishstick)
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Post Number: 1073
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 07:12 am: |
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Oh, yeah, they are all genuinely grateful to fellow nominees for losing, muahahaha!
Life`s a bitch and so am I!
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Chris Marti (Cmarti)
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Post Number: 2410
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 02:15 pm: |
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How many of them say that? |
yossarian (Yossarian)
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Post Number: 84
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 07:27 pm: |
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Hey guys, what did Jim Carrey do that was so stupid? I've heard a lot about how foolish he looked like at the Oscars (which is no surprise for Carrey BTW... hehehe), but missed out on the details. |
Glenda Glamazon (Alison_aboutfilm)
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Post Number: 3426
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I didn't think there was anything foolish about Jim Carrey. I thought, in fact, that it was the best Honorary Oscar presentation I've seen. It wasn't the boring, falsely IMPORTANT canonization that so often happens during those things. Carrey came out and riffed on Peter Sellers' character in Blake Edwards' The Party for a while, which might have thrown some people off, because he never said that's what he was doing. It might have seemed weird if one wasn't familiar with the reference. He basically just did schtick--all borrowed from Sellers and Edwards. Then Edwards crashed through the wall and made a lovely, funny speech that wasn't the least bit boring.
And I'm not even a Carrey fan.
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Chris Marti (Cmarti)
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Post Number: 2411
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 09:45 pm: |
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Yep, that's what I saw, too. |
xavier (Xavier)
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Username: Xavier
Post Number: 88
Registered: 08-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2004 - 12:47 pm: |
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Sorry I didn't get to do this before--
My sincerest congratulations to Sally Struthers on winning the Oscar for "Best Supporting Actress" for her performance in COLD MOUNTAIN.
I have always said that Sally is one of the most underrated actors in Hollywood-- and to think.... all those years wasted as second banana to Archie Bunker, when she was major motion picture talent all along!!! |
C.J. (Thief)
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Post Number: 2305
Registered: 07-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2004 - 07:51 pm: |
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Ok, since this board is here already... what do you all think are the chances of February/March movies like Passion of Christ and Eternal Sunshine of holding a strong momentum until next year Oscars? I know it's all speculative, and there's no way of telling... but I just wanted to see what you all thought, since those movies have been critically acclaimed.
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fishstick (Fishstick)
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Username: Fishstick
Post Number: 1095
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2004 - 10:49 pm: |
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Passion`s boxoffice (it`ll make $300 mio before Friday) will make it memorable for the whole year and you bet that the well-timed DVD release will break all sales records so it`ll stick in mind just fine. It`ll be nominated for something, maybe not for BP and/or BD but technical categories especially costume and make-up are shoo-in, I think, and among actors Maia Morgenstern has the best chances for a nom, BSA, better than Jim caviezel,BA, I think (less controversal role plus everyone praised her work even the movie haters).
I haven`t seen Ethernal Sunshine yet but everyone`s saying it`s wonderful, however, boxoffice and DVD sales will play a major part in nomination process or which route it`ll take: Lost in Transalation`s (early favorite that sticked in mind thanks to DVD sales boost) or Far From Heaven`s (early favorite which lost steam due to unimpressive boxoffice). Acting seems more of a sure thing for this one than BP: either Winslet or Carrey or both but Golden Globes noms for Comedy should be shoo-in.
BTW, what`s up with Renee bashing? Didn`t she suffer enough from double smear (first Harvey pitting Nicole against her in BA category last year and giving more support to Nicole, than Dreamworks pro-Shoreh anti-Renee ad this year)? She`s adorable and deserves the best including a filthy rich guy to take care of her.
Life`s a bitch and so am I!
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Irish Guy (Tyrone)
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Post Number: 1147
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 22, 2004 - 05:33 am: |
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quote:first Harvey pitting Nicole against her in BA category last year and giving more support to Nicole
I don't think Harvey invested that much in Nicole getting the Oscar last year. Miramax only took care of the overseas distribution of The Hours, Paramount handled the domestic and it was they who had a more powerful hand in campaigning the film. Harvey had both Gangs of New York and Chicago on his plate, and Renee was the star of the Best Picture frontrunner. I doubt he abandoned her in any way, shape, or form. Especially after she picked up steam after the SAG victory.
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fishstick (Fishstick)
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Ted Casablanca says Harvey abandoned her in favour of Nicole.
Life`s a bitch and so am I!
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Glenda Glamazon (Alison_aboutfilm)
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And if Ted Casablancas says it, it must be true.
I think Eternal Sunshine has an excellent shot at nominations (and possible wins) in all categories, depending on how the rest of the year's offerings shape up. The last film to sweep all the top awards (Picture, Director, Screenplay, Actor, Actress) was Silence of the Lambs, which was a March release.
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Dusk of the Comatose (Guynoir)
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Actually, SOTL was a February release (as was the first Godfather movie). But those were both blockbusters--which any Kaufman film is unlikely to be. A strategically timed DVD release may provide Eternal Sunshine with an award-season push. Unfortunately, Jesus and the zombies have conspired to damn its box office performance to the ninth circle of arthouse hell.
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C.J. (Thief)
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quote:A strategically timed DVD release may provide Eternal Sunshine with an award-season push. Unfortunately, Jesus and the zombies have conspired to damn its box office performance to the ninth circle of arthouse hell.
This metaphor had me LOL!
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Glenda Glamazon (Alison_aboutfilm)
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Post Number: 3447
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Guy--
quote:Actually, SOTL was a February release (as was the first Godfather movie).
Well, I think we can strike out the original Godfather, as the movie business was so incredibly different at that point--to the extent that I believe The Godfather was still playing in theaters a year later when the statuettes were awarded. However, with SotL, my point stands, and is, in fact, only strengthened by the way films are released now, where good and/or potential blockbusting films are released earlier and earlier in the year. I'm not saying the DVD release won't make a difference, of course it will. Just saying that I haven't read a single bad review of this film, and the critics, especially, are going to trumpet it from pillar to post come awards season. Also, just based on common sense, and disregarding all past precedent, there's no way you could write off a film this perfect.
quote:Unfortunately, Jesus and the zombies have conspired to damn its box office performance to the ninth circle of arthouse hell.
Eternal Sunshine... is having a terraced release, but it is by no means being consigned to "arthouse hell." I don't foresee this film being a blockbuster, but I don't think anyone ever did. I think the terraced release is the smartest way to do it, especially in light of The Passion... and DotD. This film will be around far longer than DotD, and will benefit far more from word of mouth. The Passion... is not plottable on any chart, nor should it be compared to any conventional film release.
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Oh no, not... (Docscribe)
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Post Number: 4746
Registered: 05-2001
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...nor should The Passion's unpredictable (and probably unreplicable) zeitgeist tapping boxoffice phenomenon, or the 2 or 3 weekend spike from a better than average horror flick blowing through be seen as somehow having a B.O. siphoning effect on...well what do we really have here with Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind...essentially an egghead alt-artsy rom-com with a rather fatuous and cumbersome title. Like any of those markets even peripherally overlap? Ever did...or ever would? I agree with you there Glenda. As with Titanic folks who haven't stepped inside a movie theatre since...well...probably Titanic...are lining up for The Passion. As for horror movies, they always do well...whenever they work.
Released any time of the year though, movies like Eternal Sunshine Yada Yada generally have a tough time at the b.o., with all the rave campaigns of critics usually more off-putting than helpful in steering mainstream audiences toward such fare. Typically, it's not until folks discover stuff like this for themeselves on video and tell their friends that word-of-mouth builds enough for the movie to enjoy a more vibrant (and durable) second life. In that regard, Jim Carrey was almost a b.o. liability here because it seems as soon as audiences catch even a whiff of him being 'un-zany'--burned as they've been by his rom-dreck like The Majestic--they seem to hang back and wait to rent instead. Yet with someone that high profile in the mix, surely the studio expected much more opening weekend punch, even if only out of name-recognition and curiosity. Their best hope now is a quieter kind of hit...a movie that lingers in the middle or on the edges of the charts for several weeks or months, eventually breaking even or better, and then takes off on video. Personally, I think they just released Eternal Sunshine Yada Yada w-a-y too early--during the late Aug. doldrums or Sept./Oct. back to school rush might have been better for something like this. And in a sidebar marketing note, is cerulean or fuschia hair really a lure for anyone anymore...assuming it ever was? Seems so twit-gamin 90s.
Nevertheless, the movie is very good, in many ways great, so I'm sure it will have its day--eventually finding a vital audience in one medium or another. But to blame any other film (or films) for its opening weekend limp is absurd--its b.o. legs got shot all to hell by its creators' own hip-hobbling choices.
Seul Enfant de Belleville
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