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randy pan the goat boy (Mackey3000)
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Post Number: 880
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 02:07 pm: | 
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I say you take out the LMS duo, and put in Eastwood, and those are your Oscar Nominees. I think Best Picture, though, will be a 100% match with the PGA noms! So LMS is the BP nominee that doesn't score a Directing nom, and Eastwood's the director whose film doesn't get nominated. I know many people are saying Iwo Jima is a masterwork, but right now I'm not seeing it make Best Picture. And while I haven't seen it, there is, imo, one great thing about it losing that spot, and that is Eastwood (who seemed like the most possible threat to Marty's front-runner status and chances to finally win the Oscar) is out of the race. GO MARTY!!!
At this point, though, while I still say Marty's the CLEAR front-runner, I would say his likeliest competition is NOT Condon (Dreamgirls is likely to get the most nominations, but it loses more and more buzz every day, and the backlash against it started even before it was released, 'cuz all these obnoxious f**ks from the predictions websites were saying it was the clear favorite to win Best Pic without having even seen it!), but Innaritu, just because the Oscars have proven in recent years what weak-ass, guilty, message-loving, pathetic sentimental suckers they are (e.g. last year's stomach-churning Best Pic selection, which laughably prevented Brokeback Mountain from being the most deserving Best Pic winner in quite some time!), and Babel's got ALL the sentimental schticks and trademarks they go gaga for (much like Crash, except it's still, despite its writing flaws, definitely a good film, though not great).
I liked Babel just fine (the more I think about it, the more I like it, actually), but it's NOT a great film, and what really INFURIATES me about this it's getting ALL this absurd overpraisal (Brad Pitt has a chance at a Supp. Actor nomination?!?! With apologies to Elaine Benes, I think a "GET OUT!" shove is definitely warranted), while Innaritu's true masterpiece three years ago, 21 Grams, was shamefully overlooked for the most part (sure, Watts and Del Toro were nominated, but they deserved WINS in their categories, and the film, Melissa Leo, and Sean Penn were overlooked).
Anyway, I think it's less a threat to Marty than it is for The Departed to win Best Picture, but I still say it's more dangerous than Dreamgirls. Still, I think Departed is ahead in the BP race, though not a clear front runner like Mirren or Whitaker, and Marty's the clear strong front-runner for BD.
ps: James, you ever on MSN or AOL anymore??
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James (James)
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Post Number: 260
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 02:40 pm: |
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Mackey
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AdamL (Adaml)
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Username: Adaml
Post Number: 1966
Registered: 08-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 07:20 am: |
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BAFTA
The main story is the millions of noms for Casino Royale...
Best film
The Queen
Babel
The Last King of Scotland
The Departed
Little Miss Sunshine
Best British film
The Queen
Casino Royale
The Last King of Scotland
Notes on a Scandal
United 93
Best actor in a leading role
Daniel Craig - Casino Royale
Forest Whitaker - The Last King of Scotland
Leonardo DiCaprio - The Departed
Peter O'Toole - Venus
Richard Griffiths - The History Boys
Best actress in a leading role
Dame Helen Mirren - The Queen
Dame Judi Dench - Notes on a Scandal
Kate Winslet - Little Children
Penelope Cruz - Volver
Meryl Streep - The Devil Wears Prada
Best actor in a supporting role
Alan Arkin - Little Miss Sunshine
James McAvoy - The Last King of Scotland
Jack Nicholson - The Departed
Leslie Philips - Venus
Michael Sheen - The Queen
Best actress in a supporting role
Emily Blunt - The Devil Wears Prada
Abigail Breslin - Little Miss Sunshine
Toni Colette - Little Miss Sunshine
Francis De La Tour - The History Boys
Jennifer Hudson - Dreamgirls
Original screenplay
Guillermo Arriaga - Babel
Michael Arndt - Little Miss Sunshine
Guillermo del Toro - Pan's Labryinth
Peter Morgan - The Queen
Paul Greengrass - United 93
Adapted screenplay
Neal Purvis/Robert Wade/Paul Haggis - Casino Royale
William Monahan - The Departed
Aline Brosh McKenna - The Devil Wears Prada
Peter Morgan/Jeremy Brock - The Last King Of Scotland
Patrick Marber - Notes On A Scandal
The David Lean Award for achievement in direction
Martin Scorsese - The Departed
Jonathan Dayton/Valerie Faris - Little Miss Sunshine
Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu - Babel
Stephen Frears - The Queen
Paul Greengrass - United 93
Animated feature film
Cars
Flushed Away
Happy Feet
The Carl Foreman Award for special achievement by a British director/producer or writer in their first feature film
Andrea Arnold - director (for Red Road)
Julian Gilbey - director (for Rollin' with the Nines)
Christine Langan - producer (for Pierrepoint)
Gary Tarn - director (for Black Sun)
Paul Andrew Williams - director (for London to Brighton)
Best film not in the English language
Apocalypto
Black Book
Pan's Labyrinth
Paint it Yellow
Volver
The Anthony Asquith Award for achievement in film music
Gustavo Santaolalla - Babel
David Arnold - Casino Royale
Henry Krieger - Dreamgirls
John Powell - Happy Feet
Alexandre Desplat - The Queen
Cinematography
Babel
Casino Royale
Children of Men
Pan's Labyrinth
United 93
Editing
Babel
Casino Royale
The Departed
The Queen
United 93
Production design
Casino Royale
Children of Men
Marie Antoinette
Pan's Labyrinth
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
Costume design
The Devil Wears Prada
Marie Antoinette
Pan's Labyrinth
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
The Queen
Sound
Babel
Casino Royale
Pan's Labyrinth
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
United 93
Achievement in special visual effects
Casino Royale
Children of Men
Pan's Labyrinth
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
Superman Returns
Make up and hair
The Devil Wears Prada
Marie Antoinette
Pan's Labyrinth
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
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Liberty Rose (Lesley828)
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Username: Lesley828
Post Number: 122
Registered: 06-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 02:34 pm: |
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Yay for Emily Blunt, but no Cate Blanchett? That's odd.
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AboutFilm host (Carlo)
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Username: Carlo
Post Number: 6897
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 06:02 pm: |
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She's not nominated because she just has an annual subscription to the award--she doesn't even need to show up to the ceremony, they just deliver one to her house.
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James (James)
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Username: James
Post Number: 264
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 02:13 am: |
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Cate was in the LEAD category as far as BAFTAs go. |
Frances Nicole (Midge_wood)
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Username: Midge_wood
Post Number: 1000
Registered: 05-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 03:05 am: |
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I can get behind Daniel Craig for best actor, but some of those other categories make me scratch my head. Best adapted screenplay...?
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Monterey Jack (Monty)
Movie Star
Username: Monty
Post Number: 3235
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 09:33 am: |
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Best Visual Effects for Casino Royale is really puzzling.
We have all the time in the world...
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Frances Nicole (Midge_wood)
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Username: Midge_wood
Post Number: 1001
Registered: 05-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 11:17 am: |
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Besides the airport sequence, I don't remember there being any special effects in that movie.
Okay, that and the house in Venice. But two scenes makes it worthy of Best Special Effects? Eh?
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AdamL (Adaml)
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Username: Adaml
Post Number: 1969
Registered: 08-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 12:59 pm: |
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You don't need to use wall to wall effects for your effects to be better and to be better used. Not saying it deserved a nom but the award isn't most effects is it?
Besides, it's a stupid category anyway. |
AboutFilm host (Carlo)
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Post Number: 6899
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 01:23 pm: |
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Ah, these days, they use effects to make a day look sunny when it's rainy or Julia Robert's ass look narrower (no joke, this was done in Notting Hill). I would not be surprised if there wasn't an effect in well over half the shots.
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Monterey Jack (Monty)
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Username: Monty
Post Number: 3238
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 10:43 pm: |
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From what I gathered, the "House In Venice" scene in Casino Royale was achieved with a mixture of miniature exteriors and a full-sized interior that could be lowered into a tank, and then raised again for another take. Compare that to Die Another Day, with it's cruddy, non-stop CGI (including digital sunshine!).
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Son Of... (Docscribe)
Studio Mogul
Username: Docscribe
Post Number: 8043
Registered: 05-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 01:19 am: |
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Okay, it's not like I expect great insight from the blatantly bribed, easily influenced self-serving lazy media whores cum press flacks celebrity reporters at the HFPA, but a Best Pic win for Babel with absolutely nothing else?!? That's got to represent a new benchmark in shortsightedness and/or stupidity. That almost qualifies as some kind of backhanded insult to the film, rather than a tribute.
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AboutFilm host (Carlo)
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Post Number: 6901
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 01:20 pm: |
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I started watching the awards and realized I didn't care much about who won and lost. There's very little reason to be passionate about most of the high-profile nominees and I'm getting old because I just couldn't take those airheads with microphones telling me "the stars are out tonight." The nominations and results of the Globes are meaningless. They have proven to be bad predictors of who wins the Oscars and nobody remembers a year or two later who has won a Globe and who hasn't. I don't get the impression that the actors and directors value them that much either. It's interesting that the Hollywood Foreign Press has managed to create this glitzy event, because they're no more worthy of one than any other of the myriad of critics assocations (less so, because they are a lot of celebrity reporters, as doc says). By the end of the broadcast I have had checked the winners on the Internet (it's on delay on the West Coast; live only on the East Coast) and was reading a book.
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Guynoir (Guynoir)
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Post Number: 1470
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 01:36 pm: |
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Golden Globes=People's Choice Awards with better catering.
It'd be funny, though, if Babel turns out to win the Best Pic Oscar and nothing else, making it the Grand Hotel of 2006. Scorsese may follow in the recent footsteps of Soderbergh, Polanski and Ang Lee--garnering a Director statuette for a film that doesn't get the Big Kahuna. Stranger things could happen... |
Liberty Rose (Lesley828)
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Username: Lesley828
Post Number: 123
Registered: 06-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 03:09 pm: |
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Entertainment Weekly predicted a Babel and Scorsese split, and I thought they lost their marbles until I read that Babel is the most nominated film of the night.
I thought Gladiator was also a sole Globe winner, winning Best Picture and nothing else?
Do you think Forest Whitaker is a real frontrunner, or he simply won because Leonardo DiCaprio's votes were split? EW picked DiCaprio to win Best Actor, but I thought his real shot was at the SAG, for which his two nominations fall in different categories. I don't want him to win though.
Dreamgirls didn't sell too many tickets this weekend when it expanded nationally. Please let the backlash begin. Eddie Murphy over Michael Sheen (who will hopefully get an Oscar nod in spite of the GG and SAG snub)? C'mon.
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AboutFilm host (Carlo)
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Post Number: 6902
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 04:06 pm: |
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I just don't see Babel pulling the Oscar, but maybe I should *ahem* go seee Babel before getting too wedded to that opinion. Hopefully United 93 will sneak in with a Best Pic nom. As far as Scorsese... the Academy voters just don't seem to love him in the way that they love some other directors. They have shown a strong disinclination toward giving him one of those "well, he's due" Oscars. I don't like those kind of choices much, but in Scorsese's case I do hope they find some reasonably meritorious project to award him. Frankly, I'm not sure The Departed is reasonably meritorious. It's a very good film, but a great film--not to me. Maybe my view is affected by the fact that I saw the original Infernal Affairs and hated the deviations from the original script--well, one deviation--the Mark Wahlberg character, in its entirety, particularly the ending, which was one of those it's a Hollywood movie so we can't let the bastard get away with it rewrites. But I do think it was excellently directed, so I don't know how I feel about this one.
Forest Whitaker has been called a lock by many observers, and if Leo couldn't pull a popularity contest like the Globes, I don't know that he'll win the Oscar. We'll see. Whitaker does have the advantage of being the most deserving candidate after all. And it's a weak Best Actor field this year... much weaker than Best Actress. There will be some deserving women, like Naomi Watts in The Painted Veil, who won't even get nominated this year.
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Son Of... (Docscribe)
Studio Mogul
Username: Docscribe
Post Number: 8061
Registered: 05-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 09:34 am: |
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PGA Winner:
But the movie SSSUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKKKSSSSS!!! Usually SAG makes these idiot picks.
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AboutFilm host (Carlo)
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Post Number: 6916
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 11:04 am: |
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Ugh. I still don't get it. The movie is as formulaic as indies get.
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randy pan the goat boy (Mackey3000)
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Username: Mackey3000
Post Number: 886
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 05:40 pm: |
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Better ready for it winning SAG, WGA, and a Best Screenplay Oscar, boys! Lucky for you, I doubt it will win the big tamale at the Oscars. I still say, as divided as these precursos have been, that Departed is in the slight lead to squeak out a BP win, if only because Marty is, imo, the clear front-runner to win BD (though I would NEVER call him a lock, since I think it's bad luck to do so), and it's highly unlikely they would split the two categories two years in a row!!! That said, Babel could also squeak out a win (its got all the sentimental, preachy, "universally enlightened" cliches that made them go gaga over that cringe-inducing CRASH, except it's actually at least a pretty good movie). But, so far, I'm going with Departed by a hair.
I liked LMS a lot (gave it a solid B+), but I agree it's severely overrated and far from the BP this year (even a shitty year like this). Would have no problem with the cast getting honored (except Arkin, who I think was comic relief, but no more than that), and even the screenplay I mostly loved (thought it was very witty and blessedly UNsentimental), but BP and BD is definitely stretching it!
Off-topic, I just saw the incredible United 93. And while I was thrilled to FINALLY see a film this year, other than Departed, that is worthy of an A grade, the downside is I still feel totally shattered by how heartbreaking it was (haven't cried that much in a movie for quite some time now) and that now it's annoyingly assured that there will at least be one Oscar snub tomorrow morning that's gonna piss me off...lol, UGH!
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AboutFilm host (Carlo)
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Post Number: 6917
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 23, 2007 - 02:38 am: |
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Well, United 93 is at this point my choice for movie of the year. But it looks like a longshot for a nomination.
quote:That said, Babel could also squeak out a win (its got all the sentimental, preachy, "universally enlightened" cliches that made them go gaga over that cringe-inducing CRASH, except it's actually at least a pretty good movie).
If you're comparing Babel to Crash, it's in the same genre but far less preachy IMO.
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Steven Watchorn (Watchorn)
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Username: Watchorn
Post Number: 3705
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 23, 2007 - 09:20 am: |
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If you liked United 93 (I did, but did not feel it was an exceptional film), then you are undoubtedly happy that Paul Greengrass got into the best director group.
I was extremely disappointed at the zilcho given to A Prairie Home Companion, which is in my top couple, or maybe three, films of the 2006. It certainly should have been nominated at least for cinematography. I was also hoping that the lack of buzz for the film might be countered by a kind of lifetime achievement, and actually balance out to give Robert Altman a best director nomination he actually deserved on the merits of this film.
Oh, well, there are some decent high profile films, and at least Dreamgirls was shut out of most top categories. Now, if only we could have done something about the too-lavish praise for Little Miss Sunshine...
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Frances Nicole (Midge_wood)
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Username: Midge_wood
Post Number: 1005
Registered: 05-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 23, 2007 - 09:40 am: |
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I liked Little Miss Sunshine, but I really never saw it as Best Picture quality. Its success at the awards has been a little perplexing. The Oscar noms themselves are quite dull.
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Cornuto Content (Coachk)
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Username: Coachk
Post Number: 392
Registered: 06-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 23, 2007 - 09:43 am: |
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Thanks to the little bundle of joy delivered to my doorstep three weeks ago, this is the first time in years that there isn't a single category in which I've seen all five films. I'm a bit surprised that Wahlberg got in instead of Nicholson, and DiCaprio's BLOOD DIAMOND instead of THE DEPARTED (all I can think of for both is "category confusion"), but otherwise, things look like I expected.
It's funny, in the articles about nominations it will say that DREAMGIRLS "led" with eight nominations, but you have to dig deep - an astounding three of those nominations come in the same category. For number of categories nominated, I think BABEL is in the lead.
I'm happy for Paul Greengrass. UNITED 93 was my pick for best picture of the year. |
Kathy (Kk1024)
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Post Number: 1779
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 23, 2007 - 11:10 am: |
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I expected the oscar nominations to be dull. The only semi-surprises were the lack of Jack (which I think is a good thing), and Leo for Blood Diamond instead of The Departed. If this illustrates anything it shows the Academy's love of Clint Eastwood, which we've witnessed numerous times before. |
AdamL (Adaml)
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Post Number: 1979
Registered: 08-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 23, 2007 - 11:43 am: |
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The most open Best Picture race ever? Well for a long time at least. |
Frances Nicole (Midge_wood)
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Username: Midge_wood
Post Number: 1007
Registered: 05-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 10:20 pm: |
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...Little Miss Sunshine for best ensemble in a film?
I loved the movie. I really did. But WTF.
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AboutFilm host (Carlo)
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Post Number: 6938
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 12:30 am: |
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Yeah, WTF.
If this movie wins the Oscar for Best Picture, I may give up on ol' Oscar for good.
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Monterey Jack (Monty)
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Post Number: 3278
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 12:41 am: |
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I think it's gonna be a close race between Clint and Marty for Best Picture yet again.
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randy pan the goat boy (Mackey3000)
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Post Number: 889
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 04:12 pm: |
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Naaah, it's Departed vs. LMS for BP, and Marty's way ahead for BD.
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AboutFilm host (Carlo)
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Post Number: 6941
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| | Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 05:27 pm: |
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Tiny indies don't win Best Picture. I guess there's a first time for everything though, and the Academy loves facile uplifting middlebrow films masquerading as highbrow entertainment. (Let me ask you, if this film had starred Sandra Bullock instead of Toni Collette and been made by a major without changing a single word, would we be even having this conversation?)
But I guess there's a first time for everything. A tiny indie winner, I mean.
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Guynoir (Guynoir)
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Post Number: 1477
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 01:08 am: |
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But without even being nominated for Director? That would be another first, unless I'm mistaken. But the SAG ensemble win does seem to prove that LMS is still in the hunt. Troubling, but I've gotten to the point where I almost want to see in how many different ways AMPAS can fuck things up by rewarding bad or subpar work. Although, it seems this year that at least Best Actor & Actress may go to deserving performers |
I'd rather not... (Bluebull)
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Post Number: 660
Registered: 06-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 02:44 am: |
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Mackey, it looks like you may be right about Best Original Screenplay, but, geez, give it up, The Departed isn't winning Best Pic. It underperformed in terms of nominations (five -- and only one acting nom), it came out in the early fall, and it's not the type of film the academy eats up (it's not "important"). Hell, if it was so well loved, then it surely would have won Best Ensemble, no? Also, it's the best film nominated, so we know it can't win. Ha! Granted, it's a weak year, but I think the best we can hope for is a Scorsese win.
Then again, with LMS winning Ensemble, it really does seem up for grabs.
It certainly does make things interesting... |
Son Of... (Docscribe)
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Post Number: 8075
Registered: 05-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 02:55 am: |
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In an industry freaking over its off the scale production economics - when even average movie product costs $70 - $90 mil plus marketing, and several fX-laden event films have blown right past the $200 mil mark without a blink - there must be something weirdly reassuring about a bargain basement project like Little Miss Smug-whine with a bunch of stars working for scale that not only earned its keep but profitted handsomely. What they might be missing though in their rush to praise this annoyingly cloying exercise, is, as Carlo says, this movie was an Indie by the very loosest of definitions, and in name only. In terms of content, approach, ambition, and effect it was just as emotionally calculated and cynically targeted as any other lower mid rank studio offerring. And yes, had it been cast just a tad more upscale, it would have quickly cost 3 times as much, earned probably no more in the end, and only discussed now as a bland, forgettable underperformer instead a 'little engine that could'. This was typical crap, but with atypical posturing for effect. And, not to forget a key point, it simply was not very funny (even Alexander Payne doesn't hate his dim and dour white trash milieu as much as this film did).
Flush it! Flush it!! Flush it!!!
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randy pan the goat boy (Mackey3000)
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Post Number: 890
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 01:49 pm: |
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bluebull, if/when Departed wins BP, instead of an apology, I'd appreciate it if you just revealed a deep, dark secret about yourself, as a way of "eating crow" ;-)
I think all this speculation now about LMS being the BP frontrunner will backfire, and the initial frontrunner (DEPARTED) will end up triumphant.
Plus, Marty seems like a safe bet this year, and they havent split BP/BD two years in a row in DECADES! This helps Departed a lot. I think it has a great chance of being the first BP thriller since Silence Of The Lambs.
Still, a LMS victory wouldnt surprise me in the least. I think its a tight Departed vs. LMS.
And, while the PGA shock win is significant, LMS victory in SAG means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, bb! Of course it was gonna win there...its more an ensemble piece than any other film, and those kind of films (Sideways, Crash) are always expected to triumph at SAG. You're reading waaaaay too much into that!
ps: The ONLY good thing about a LMS victory would be seeing all the seething haters here (ahem doc) let out their rage and disgust just like they did last year (even though I was with them 100% on that one, ugh!). I can imagine it now "Wow, worst BP win since...LAST YEAR!"
Still, Departed looks good to me.
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AdamL (Adaml)
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Post Number: 1990
Registered: 08-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 01:51 pm: |
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I'm going for Letters and have put money where my mouth is (a whopping $5). 9-1 was far too generous to ignore and in no way can the British bookmakers justify such long odds in the most open race in years. |
Son Of... (Docscribe)
Studio Mogul
Username: Docscribe
Post Number: 8078
Registered: 05-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 09:14 pm: |
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Mackey re:
quote:I can imagine it now "Wow, worst BP win since...LAST YEAR!"
Well, you've got me there...that's pretty much exactly how I would react.
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I'd rather not... (Bluebull)
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Username: Bluebull
Post Number: 662
Registered: 06-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 11:07 pm: |
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Mackey, we'll see, but I still think The Departed is a long shot -- maybe the least likely of the five films to win. I'll bow at your feet if I'm wrong... ;) (and give you a high five because I do hope it wins)
I like Adam's bet, that's for sure. When was the last time we had a race this wide open? 95? The winner that year: a traditional, mediocre epic Braveheart. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw another repeat...although they have to be tiring of Clint by now.
And doc, based on the quality of films alone, it sounds to me you dislike LMS even more than Crash, which you didn't hate, but you just hated to see win over a film that was much more deserving. |
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More or less, bluebull...Crash was a feckin' masterpiece compared to Little Miss Pukepot.
What irked me most about the Crash Oscar wins (other than outing the Academy's supreme gutlessness and cynical lack of taste), was that they were precisely for those categories (picture, screenplay, and editing) in which it was least deserving. I mean, if Dillon had won, I could have accepted that, or heck even the cinematography, but what it bagged - and why - was one very sick joke on audiences, the industry, and the art and craft of movie making.
It's the same shocking lack of insight that resulted in those 3 very wrong-headed awards for Haggis' 'ball-peen to the skull' that I fear coming into play again this year with Little Miss Buffedturd. The Academy has already proven they can be that...dead...wrong.
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AboutFilm host (Carlo)
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quote:Crash was a feckin' masterpiece compared to Little Miss Pukepot.
Well, yeah, as fashionable as it's become to dump on Crash.
Seriously, are we the only ones that watched the finale of Little Miss Sunshit in slack-jawed amazement, stunned not only that the film actually ended up where it did, but that anyone found it a) funny, b) uplifting, or c) both? And it's not like the rest of the film was any good either. Actually, the entire screenplay was by the numbers formula, literally step by step (and believe me I've had the formula forced down my throat in the screenwriting workshops), clothed with a tissue-paper thin veneer of hip irony and indie subversiveness. But we're a minority. We're a minority. I can only hope that hindsight reveals what a joke this film is, much as it has for others.
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Jeff Vorndam (Jeff)
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Crash is perniciously awful. Little Miss Sunshine is merely indie-mediocrity.
You want to be fooled.
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Nicola_D (Nicola_d)
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Crash was okay and well-intentioned I thought, but not at all Oscar-worthy. The Departed has a lock on it, without a doubt. |
Son Of... (Docscribe)
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Jeff re:
quote:Crash is perniciously awful. Little Miss Sunshine is merely indie-mediocrity.
LOL! If you flip those comments, I'd agree. There were so many serial (and compounding) cringe-inducing scenes in Little Miss Showgirl that I wouldn't know where to begin.
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Let us assume for the moment that I've read none of the discussions about Crash on this site. Besides being a ripoff of Robert Altman's style, what exactly is so bad about it? While I wouldn't give it a high grade, I thought it was a decent diversion. Please, enlighten me.
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AboutFilm host (Carlo)
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I liked Crash, and though my view of the film has gone down, it is still a good movie in my view. However, one of the problems--which is something that was often cited as one of the film's merits--is how overt all the racism is in the dialogue. While shocking and daring and all of that stuff, it's also facile. Most people know better than to actually say/do those things out loud. Many of them--or perhaps I should say us since none of us is exempt--don't even realize that they have any racist thoughts or instincts. With the exception of a couple of characters (e.g. Ryan Philippe), Crash doesn't try to deal with racism as it usually appears today--insidious and silent. Instead it has the characters vocalizing everything, which creates a bit of a paper tiger.
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Dave Lister (Normanv)
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OK, sure, I can see that. But isn't it possible that the point of it was to give voice to those withheld opinions and to exploit the emotions behind the reactions to them? Yes, I found the idea of vicious carjackers having deep discussions about the role of race in America as too erudite for the kind of people who would perpetrate such crimes, and to me that was kind of the point. And most people aren't as PC as your post contends; I run across ignorant and unenlightened attitudes quite a bit even in this day and age.
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AboutFilm host (Carlo)
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Yeah, all that makes sense to me, except perhaps I would say that the film was set in LA, not just anywhere, and people here are certainly more aware of PC-ness, even if that doesn't reflect how they truly feel. Anyway, the decision obviously has its ups and downs. Like I said, I liked the film, so I'm not really sure what the scathing hatred is about--I'm sure others will tell you. I suppose another objection is all the coincidences, but I was able to regard that as a device and suspend disbelief.
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Jeff Vorndam (Jeff)
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My main complaint: Every scene, every scene, explicitly deals with the film's topic in the least imaginative, cozily ironic way possible. It's insulting to one's intelligence.
You want to be fooled.
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Son Of... (Docscribe)
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It sure was Jeff - if that script had been any more explicitly 'on the page' and in your face with its overt and facile 'points', they could have looped a teleprompter for 2 hours to approximately the same effect. What really wore me down though was the compound coinky-dinkiness of it all, with Haggis just piling on those absurd 'ironies' like he was paid by the pound. Overall, the accumlative feel of the piece just struck me as colossally phony, and yet, along the way, often when I least expected it, there were some good scenes and moments when all that shrill overstatement kind of worked, or at least seemed less annoying thanks to the conviction of the players. In particular, the scenes with Dillon and Phillipe often worked surprisingly well...that is, until Haggis' next ball peen bash to the skull.
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ClaudiaS (Synchrogirl)
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| | Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 03:51 pm: |
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OK, so far we have...
Little Miss Smug-whine
Little Miss Pukepot
Little Miss Buffedturd
Little Miss Sunshit
Little Miss Showgirl
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Son Of... (Docscribe)
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The BAFTA goes to The Queen. The rest was a fairly mixed bag with a few surprises. Unfortunately, one of them was Alan Arkin for Little Miss Snotwhistle.
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Guynoir (Guynoir)
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| | Posted on Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 11:30 pm: |
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Well, if that's a predictor for the Oscars that would be the least embarassing Sunshine win (Arkin's had a fine career--even if this flick isn't one of his highpoints, actors rarely win for their best performance/movie).
But the Brits actually thought LMS had a better screenplay than Pan's Labyrinth, Letters From Iwo Jima or The Queen? Yikes--I hope AMPAS doesn't feel the same way. |
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The very notion that the script for Little Miss Sunshine deserves to be stored in the same bookcase as the script for Pan's Labyrinth is both profoundly absurd and profoundly disturbing. I really ought to go flagellate myself for even mentioning the two in the same sentence, as I just have.
I will never understand.
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randy pan the goat boy (Mackey3000)
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While I agree Pan's is the best script among the nominees, I think it's safe to say that LMS' one lock at the Oscars will be for Original Screenplay. It just won the WGA, and it beat The Queen in the BAFTA's (which is huuuge!).
I still have The Departed by a hair to take BP, but LMS is closely behind. The one I think has a lot less support than people are claiming is Babel.
One category to watch, though: Best Supporting Actor. Murphy's obviously the front-runner (for reasons I'll never understand), but Whalberg and Arkin, imo, both have good chances to upset him. If either of them succeed in trumping Murphy, then you can probably expect that their film will be the one to take BP.
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AboutFilm host (Carlo)
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Ugh, the best supporting actor category makes no sense this year.
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AdamL (Adaml)
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The BAFTAs were pretty lame. More no-shows than the previous 3 years put together. I don't understand why they honoured Hudson and Arkin. And I really struggle to understand how anyone could compare Mirren and Dench's performances and give the nod to Mirren. Obviously Dench has been honoured in the past and Mirren hasn't, which factors, but it shouldn't. Ricky Gervais presented an award and was very funny. He should be given a hosting gig one day. |
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